Southern Counties SBT Society

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Breed Council of Great Britain & Northern Ireland

Minutes of the meeting held on Saturday 2nd July 2022 at

The Fieldhead Hotel, Markfield Lane, Markfield LE67 9PS


Chairman – Dave Lee

Secretary/Treasurer – Helen Reaney

Pro – Kirsty Summerfield

KCBLO – Karon Jackson

BEC – Helen Reaney

11 Clubs being represented at some or all sections of the agenda

Downlands – Jane Neale acting on behalf of the club

East Anglia – Lesley McFadyen & Gem Rowe

East Midlands – Maureen Ward & Janet Higgins

Northern Counties – Clare Robinson-Cox acting on behalf of the club

North West – Tec Norton

North of Scotland – Karon Jackson acting on behalf of the club

Notts & Derby – Kirsty Summerfield & Jane Neale

Potteries – Dave McKimm

Southern Counties – Gem Rowe acting on behalf of the club

SBTC – Wayne Jackson and Karon Jackson

Western – Karon Jackson acting on behalf of the club

The Chairman opened the meeting at 11.05am and thanked everyone for attending the first face to face meeting since March 2020 due to the Covid Pandemic.

1. Apologies for absence. Received from Merseyside, South Wales & Scottish

2. Minutes of the meeting held on Saturday March 14th, 2020, and Matters Arising – The Secretary ran through the previous minutes, and these were then voted upon by the Clubs present. The Western would like it minuted that the accepted Breed Council criteria did not make it from that meeting to the next and was not applied by 6 clubs on this Breed Council in the interim (under 5.1 of the March 2020 agenda) – “To have judged both sexes at a minimum of 3 breed club shows” as a minimum criteria for A list status was passed by the Breed Council with 9 For, 1 Against, 1 Abstention.

The Western believes this Council should record the Clubs reasons why its criteria was not applied in the minutes for this meeting or minute the fact that no reasons were given. This in our opinion is the only way that the recorded minutes are a true and accurate reflection of this meeting, and the thoughts of constituent members regarding this situation of criteria not being applied are recorded. See voting sheet.

3 Reports.

3.1. Chairman’s Report. – Dave Lee read out his report attached with the minutes.

3.2. Secretary’s Report. – Helen Reaney read out her report attached with the minutes.

3.3. Public Relation Officer’s Report. – No report

3.4. Kennel Club Breed Liaison Officer’s Report. - Karon Jackson read out her report attached with the minutes. The meeting thanked Karon for providing an excellent report.

4. Correspondence & matters arising.

Various correspondence regarding withdrawal of Bargain Hunt TV programme filmed at the SBT Heritage Centre October 2021.

Breed Council Website which a member of the NOSSBTC had produced a draft and which the Council voting on with taking it further – See Voting Sheet.

  • Email from NESBTC
  • Various Judging Lists from Breed Clubs
  • Various Proposals – mentioned in the agenda

5. Propositions

5.1 EASBT Propose/2nd NOSSBTC

1. to offer the opportunity to remote SBT clubs to observe Breed Council meetings via a Zoom or other Social Media platform. This would allow those Clubs to see and hear first-hand topics, mandates or resolutions being discussed.

2. to clarify the Breed Council judging list criteria regarding inclusion of numbers of overseas dogs when considering A2 applications

See voting sheet.

5.2 EMSBTC propose (no seconder)

With reference to the A3 criteria be amended to follow the KC criteria

The Board has previously clarified that the following types of events may be used to claim hands-on experience numbers under both the JEP and traditional approval system:

A3 List (Breed Specialists) Requirements

a. Minimum of seven years judging experience in the breed (by the date of any nominated Championship show if applicable) and have the support of the Breed Council/Club or Society (KC policy)

b. To have judged both sexes, at a minimum of 3 breed club shows

c. To have judged a minimum of 60 classes (with dogs’ present)

d. To have judged a minimum of 180 dogs (KC Policy)

e. To have attended a seminar given by a Kennel Club Accredited Trainer and passed the relevant examination on Kennel Club Regulations and Judging Procedures (KC Policy as of 1.7.2001)

f. To have attended a seminar given by a Kennel Club Accredited Trainer on Confirmation and Movement (KC Policy as of 1.7.2001)

g. To have attended a Points of the Dog Assessment conducted by a Kennel Club Accredited Trainer and passed the assessment (KC Policy as of 1.7.2005)

h. To have attended at least on Breed Specific Seminar run in accordance with the relevant Kennel Club Code of Best Practice and passed an examination and/or assessment where applicable (KC Policy as of 1.7.2001)

I. To have bred and/or owned a minimum of three dogs when they first obtained their first entry in the Kennel Club Stud Book (save in exceptional circumstances) (KC Policy)

j. To have stewarded at 12 shows/days (Open or Championship) (KC Policy)

The reason for this is regarding the last two judging applications having grey areas around breed shows, country, and numbers of dogs with the current existing criteria. this will soon be taken from the hands of the Breed council once the JEP comes into full force in a few years and the KC own the CC’s and ultimately make the final decision

No seconder for this proposal but suggested the clubs look at the criteria to bring back to the next meeting.

5.3 EMSBTC propose/seconded SBTC

Following on from the recent email with regards to the funds released for the L2 mutation research, EMSBTC wish to be proposed that “all the breed clubs replenish this money with a donation of £50” which will bring the pot back up to what was taken from it so as not to leave the breed council without any funds in reserve. – See voting sheet.

5.4 SBTC propose/seconded Southern Counties

The SBTC wish to propose that all clubs agree to abide by the minimum “Agreed” criteria of the Breed Clubs and Breed Council when new judges’ approval is circulated and the Kennel Club to be reminded of the importance of, not to undermine the role of the breed clubs in new judge approval process. – See Voting sheet.

A lengthy discussion took place 5.1.2 - 5.2 - and 5.4. with all delegates and it was agreed that the Criteria is there to be implemented and agreed the Secretary would write to the KC advising them of the criteria and the importance of why we have requested 3 breed club shows. The KC has its own criteria when looking at judges’ appointments and have total disregard for one rule for our judges to proceed to the A list. It was agreed that from 2025 this will all change however we as a breed can still ask for judges to complete certain number of dogs to judge a Breed Club Championship show.

6. Election of Officers for 2-year term of office from March 2022 – until March 2024


Dave Lee (proposed East Midlands/2nd SBTC) see voting sheet


Helen Reaney (proposed Notts & Derby/2nd East Midlands) see voting sheet

Public Relations Officer:

Clare Robinson Cox (proposed North of Scotland/2nd Notts & Derby) see voting sheet

7.Lead Health Coordinator Role and Nominations for a 2-year term from March 2022 until March 2024

Gem Rowe (LHC)– (Proposed East Anglia/2nd Potteries) see voting sheet. Following the vote, a general discussion took place with regards to the health testing of dogs. Gem disagreed that “full” health testing was being push by those with blue dogs. Gem feels very strongly about this as it is no correct. They have not been pushing the recommended eye screening and it is important to Gem it is not recorded otherwise. Just being hereditary clear for L2HGA and HC-HSF4 (or even DNA tested) is not fully tested.

8. Health Issues and Lead Health Co-Ordinator Report – Gem Rowe read out her report which is attached to these minutes

9. Breed Education Co-Ordinator Report – Helen Reaney read out her report which is attached to these minutes.

10. Matters brought forward by delegates for discussion.

• The Western would like to ask and have the reply minuted. Is the inclusion of a Refereeing appointment applicable to be a consideration on the Breed Council A List criteria or within the events that the KC accept as recordable hands-on experience for either approval system? This was discussed and no formal agreement was reached. (Secretary - this needs to be clarified by Clubs if they wish to include a Referee appointment)

• The Western also wished to have clarified in the last minutes East Anglia proposed 5.12 - To Clarify the Breed Council Judging list criteria regarding inclusions of numbers of overseas dogs when considering A2 applications. This was passed but nothing had been decided upon regarding the number of classes/dogs or shows. (Secretary note This is something we need as a Council to decide upon)

• The Western wished to have recorded in the minutes Clubs reasoning as to why the Councils criteria was not applied to recent A list applications, or if none were forwarded, this also be recorded in the minutes (Secretary none were forwarded)

11. Free discussion period on the Staffordshire Bull Terrier – minutes taken by the PRO Our new PRO has provided a report see attached. The role of the PRO is to report breed specific issues, minutes should not be reproduced publicly, counter negative press should be kept to Breed Clubs and Breed Council informed where necessary.

12. Adoption of the balance sheet & matters arising see attached for 2020 _ (2021 yet to be audited due to the sad loss of Max King these will be done and sent to the clubs for voting in good time to send to the KC with the rest of the Annual Returns - Proposed EMSBTC/ 2nd EASBTC See voting sheet

13. Election of auditor. Discussed and agreed that the Secretary source a new Auditor to complete the 2021 accounts onwards. There was no vote for this.

14. A.O.B.

15. Date of the next meeting. Saturday 19th November 2022 from 11am at the Fieldhead Hotel

Helen E Reaney (Hon Secretary)

Circulated to all Member Clubs Sun 7th August 2022 ©

Meeting closed at 2.30pm